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I wonder how nobody's submitted anything from Kill la Kill at this point? I guess that anime's problem is old news by now.

Anonymous

Honestly, I tend to focus a lot more on North American comics on this blog, and even then I can’t remember the last time I actually sat down and read a comic. I’m aware of many, many manga with loads of problems that I could address here, but there’s only so many hours in a day, and I’ve been spending a ton of said hours on storyboards, so I haven’t read manga either (although my sons have been borrowing Soul Eater and Fairy Tail from the library, so I got a glimpse of those). I don’t even know what Kill la Kill is. Sorry!

Work is almost done on this show, so I’ll be able to revisit my saved folder of half-started redlines and post a few new corrections soon. 

I just want to say that I love your redlines. The other redline blogs of this type that I have seen tend to have submissions that look less interesting than the originals, but you understand the need for dynamism. I appreciate that.

That’s a compliment I really take to heart. As a storyboard artist, it’s important for me to think about things in motion when I draw still images. I think my weaker redraws are those where I stick too much to the original pose and image, which makes them stiff; I’ve learned that hiding the layer with the original image when redrawing the pose makes a much better drawing in the end. 

Thanks!

kanthara:

krudman:

Why, yes. Yes, I am a character designer that works in the game industry. How could you tell???

THIS SO MUCH THIS I pointed this out in lesstitsnass and it’s so very true. And wrong.

Criticism, rape threats, double standards and other issues

I wish this didn’t have to be said again. I know many people have spoken about this, written about this, and yet the issue keeps coming back again and again. 

This blog, which I haven’t updated in a long time, is full of criticism about the way women get portrayed in comics, and I knew the risks of writing it included getting attacked for my opinions, not on the opinions themselves, but on my person. And yes, it has happened. I have been called a feminazi. I have been called a crazy pedantic cunt. I have received threats, but far fewer of those than other women have. How did I react to these posts? Mostly, by focusing on the positive feedback, concentrating on those divergent opinions that talk about the content of my posts, and by not feeding the trolls.

Not feeding the trolls. Because that’s what we’re taught to do on the interwebz, right? Well, there’s a difference between trolls and threats of actual physical violence and abuse. And this is definitely something that should be stopped by calling it out, reporting it.

So I was reading gimpnelly's article in xojane and made the mistake of reading the comments, which made me go through a series of emotions that I have trouble putting in words. 

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Someone tell me how making a cover appealing to a wider audience means that it should appeal only to women? This is the fallacy of things being taken away from men.

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Right. It’s never happened to you so therefore it’s the other girl’s fault for “being pretty”. Also, because she’s threatened with rape she’s on the defensive and she’s told she should just calm down and be reasonable. 

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This guy spent HOURS on the site saying “but don’t you understand me? I’m saying it’s not all men, I’m playing devil’s advocate, you paint us all with the same brush” and also “educate me on how to be a feminist ally”. And when people told him the basics of “stop talking, start listening, stop playing devil’s advocate, we know it’s not all men”, he turned around and started telling everyone THEY were wrong. 

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Remember that post I made about “sexy, sexism and sexualisation”? There was a follow-up question about sexual context, as well. Magic  Mike is about a sexual context, so yes, we are ogling men being sexy because that is what the context of this movie is. And that follow-up thing about an obese geriatric amputee is just plain stupid. 

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First of all, who says Teen Titans caters to adolescent boys? Second, who says the cover has to cater to women only? Third, realism here is about the fact that these are supposed to be TEENS. Fourth, this is the root of the subject of the post I wanted to write in the first place, although I got really distracted by the rest of the feminism arguments that happened all over that comment thread. 

Getting back to the Magic Mike comment, the example was given to show that women objectify men in a sexual manner the same way men objectify women. The example is a bad one because of, as I stated above, the context of the movie is sexual in nature. The cover that was being criticised is not. A fairer comparison would have been that Thor 1 scene where he is shirtless and putting on jeans. This scene was there for pure titillation and it did its job very well. But that scene, presenting a man as, well, yummy, is far far less frequent than the same kind of scene presenting a woman. Then again, we’re still not in a completely fair comparison, because the cover wasn’t about showing us how hot the character is, but showing the group of heroes. 

The whole catering thing is an issue because — okay. Let me put it this way. 

I am a white, straight cis-female who’s thin. Therefore, I have privilege. I see characters who look like me in a lot of the media I consume. This is why I didn’t notice there was a problem in representation for the longest time. Oh, as a kid I’d notice there were only two female characters in GI-Joe, and if I didn’t call Lady Jane fast enough I’d have to play the Baroness; I made up a female Transformer character in my own stories before the show added them in at a later season because that was really missing. I’d notice that shows with teams were often built of a bunch of guys and a token female. For the longest time I thought Tweety Bird was a girl and was really disappointed to find out that wasn’t true. But the females that WERE on the shows were white, pretty, thin, and basically looked similar enough to me for me to identify with them.

Anyone who knows me knows how much I love Gargoyles. I love this property so much because it has so many good things in it, but it also has problems, and it’s because I love it so much that I’m choosing it as an example of my wider scale criticism. Gargoyles are humanoid creatures with wings and tails, the grotesque creatures that adorn old castles and churches, and in this story, break out of their stone shells to live at night. Their shapes and colours are as varied as anything, even moreso than humans are, especially where size is concerned. There’s a tall, V-torsoed hero who represents the idealized figure of heroics. The barrel-chested geriatric member of the group is a warrior past his prime. Then you have three young ones, from the small to the athletically lean to the fat one. And that’s just the main cast. All male. Much variance.

And then you have the one (token) female. Thin. Traditionally beautiful. Actually, every other female gargoyle was built on the same model. To prove my point, here’s a sampling.

It took a little over 10 years before we got new Gargoyles in the comics, and thankfully the mold was broken with Constance and with Sacrifice; but the point remains that the character designers and art director on the show did not take risks when it came to designing female characters because anything out of the above template is considered undesirable in most media.

Therefore, the message we send everyone is that while male heroes can come in all shapes and sizes, females only come in one. And if you, as a consumer of said media, don’t fit the template, well, sucks to be you. Suck to be you because you don’t see yourself anywhere, and sucks to be you because everyone becomes blind to the existence (and acceptability) of varying body types like yours. What happens when people add in a diverse female character? It risks becoming a token, recognised only as its difference from the established norm, not a person. Not the way male characters who are older or younger, or chubbier or less stacked, are seen as different people. And I haven’t even addressed how race of either gender comes with typecasting and tokenism.

Getting back to female characters, we need variety in design that allows for story-relevant design choices, like drawing a teenager like a teenager, not like the adults who play teenagers on TV, for instance.

The big problem is that in comics, there’s also a template, and it also needs to be broken. Unfortunately, post-New52 got rid of variety, Amanda Waller being a prime example. In truth, the problem lies in having trouble accepting things we’re not used to seeing. The more variety in design we’re exposed to, the less fringe or token that variety will seem, the more acceptable it will become in the audience’s eyes, and the more everyone will find people they recognise themselves in in the media they consume. But as much as it has to come from creators to create these kinds of characters, it has to come from the audience to accept these designs, to call out when things could be done better, and to see criticism as a way to question the validity of the status quo and to make things better, not as an attack on the things we like and a call to destroy them. And if we could just keep the physical and sexual violence threats out of the equation, we would all be better off.

Disney: Say No to the Merida Makeover, Keep Our Hero Brave!

Thanks for the heads up, perpetuallurkernazanin, I definitely signed this one. 

I invite you to do the same, tumblrs!

May 9

dawnbest:

reftastic:

swegener:

Speaking of different body shapes. These are all basically peak human bodies. 

How come 99% of them don’t conform to what the entertainment industry tells us is the perfect body?

This is a FABULOUS set of body refs. So glad this came back across my dash so I could reblog it here :D

Totally reblogging it too cuz I lost it the last 3294 times I saw it on the interbutts. GJ!

I know you probably have seen this before, but here it is again. I love that this includes males bodies as well, and is a great reference for anyone wanting to design a various cast of characters. The mere size difference between some neighbours on some photos should give you artists great pointers on how to portray height variation in a believable way to your viewers!

(Also that way I have it in a place I’l remember and will be able to get it whenever I need it so there.)

May 1

This blog should be the basis of a course taught at the art schools that have a cartooning major. I attended the School of Visual Art for cartooning years ago, and it's aggravating even today to remember all the young guys (and sometimes girls) who entered drawing classes with a preconceived notion of what women should look like, because they'd grown up on DC and Marvel, and that's who they wanted to work for. I love what you're doing and promoting here, though. Please continue.

Thank you so much! 

I try to do my part with the blog, and also when I teach panels in conventions. I would draw simplified art because my first love was TV cartoons, but remember learning more complex, detailed art by looking at Jim Lee and Rob Liefeld’s work in X-Men and X-Force back in the 80s, which means I was treating women’s pelvises like a Barbie doll’s due to what I was seeing in the art. Anatomy for Artists books have saved me from that, and later life drawing classes were a godsend. 

It’s like they say, you must learn the rules before you break them. Style needs to develop from a solid base. 

Ooh, actually, readers, make a tumblr search for “Tanglefoot” (no, wait, let me do it for you) to find REALLY interesting character designs and posing that takes the rules, knows them, and breaks them in the most awesome, enticing way. Love this work!

May 1

It's less about the exaggeration, but more about how they exaggerate it. While yes the muscles on comic guys are pretty insane themselves, it's for guys to have an awesome asskicking figure that's ideal for them. When they exaggerate females its for eye candy, not for a good role model.

Anonymous

Yup. It’s something called false equivalence, as I’m sure you know. Besides, I’ve said it several times previously in this blog, if someone has their own fixes of male anatomy in comics, I’d LOVE to see it, and most likely would follow it. It’s just not my focus here. 

Thanks for chiming in!

May 1

Other Anon obviously didn't see your Harley Quinn or Star Wars redraws. So much more dynamic than the originals! Better story telling right there.

Anonymous

Thanks! I really appreciate the comments!

It’s always more difficult to redraw something that was broken originally in the same kind of pose without losing dynamism. Much easier to start from scratch. 

May 1

If an artist needs to draw something unnatural to make the dynamics of a character illustration work, they designed the character wrong. Fix the real problems, bandaid solutions make for pretty mediocre cartooning.

This.